• Hello FTN world from the

    From Mauro Veiga@4:801/194 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Fri Oct 30 10:43:00 2020
    Quoting August Abolins to Alan Ianson at 10-28-20 01:12 <=-

    Subject: Hello FTN world from the Telegram world.
    Hello August,

    Hello FTN world from the Telegram world.

    How are things in the Telegram worl these days?

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    Most of the time the gate/portal runs very smoothly. Trying find opportunities to get people to hop onto the basic chat echos to get started.

    It would be great if someone did a tutorial on how to create the tgm
    <-> ftn Gateway for Fidonet and other areas of FTN networks.



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  • From Charles Pierson@2:221/360 to Mauro Veiga on Fri Oct 30 17:38:38 2020
    Hello, Mauro Veiga : AUGUST ABOLINS.
    On 10/30/20 8:43 AM you wrote:

    It would be great if someone did a tutorial on how to create the tgm
    <-> ftn Gateway for Fidonet and other areas of FTN networks.

    I'm sure that once Stas has it in a manner ready to release, it will
    have such documentation as needed.
    Currently, the Gateway runs through Stas's system, and links to echos
    that he is connected to as the interest in such echos is learned about,
    as long as the moderator of the echo is OK with it.

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  • From Mauro Veiga@4:801/194 to CHARLES PIERSON on Sat Oct 31 11:10:00 2020
    Quoting Charles Pierson to Mauro Veiga <=-

    Hello, Mauro Veiga : AUGUST ABOLINS.
    On 10/30/20 8:43 AM you wrote:

    It would be great if someone did a tutorial on how to create the tgm
    <-> ftn Gateway for Fidonet and other areas of FTN networks.

    I'm sure that once Stas has it in a manner ready to release, it will
    have such documentation as needed.
    Currently, the Gateway runs through Stas's system, and links to echos
    that he is connected to as the interest in such echos is learned
    about, as long as the moderator of the echo is OK with it.

    Okay. I wait for Stas make the tutorial. There are areas that he
    doesn't echo and other FTN networks that could benefit from it.



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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Mauro Veiga on Sat Oct 31 16:51:45 2020
    On 31/10/2020 10:10 a.m., Mauro Veiga : CHARLES PIERSON wrote:

    Okay. I wait for Stas make the tutorial. There are areas
    that he doesn't echo and other FTN networks that could
    benefit from it.

    Stick around the FUTURE4FIDO echo. He's sure to announce more info
    about the project there.

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  • From Charles Pierson@2:221/6.21 to Mauro Veiga on Sat Oct 31 10:10:25 2020
    Hello, Mauro Veiga.
    On 10/31/20 11:10 AM you wrote:

    I'm sure that once Stas has it in a manner ready to release, it
    will have such documentation as needed. Currently, the Gateway
    runs through Stas's system, and links to echos that he is
    connected to as the interest in such echos is learned about, as
    long as the moderator of the echo is OK with it.
    Okay. I wait for Stas make the tutorial. There are areas
    that he
    doesn't echo and other FTN networks that could benefit from
    it.

    Making it available to more echos and even other FTN networks has been discussed.

    As August mentions in his reply, follow the Future4Fido echo for more information.

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  • From Mauro Veiga@4:801/194 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Sun Nov 1 11:53:00 2020
    Quoting August Abolins to Mauro Veiga <=-

    On 31/10/2020 10:10 a.m., Mauro Veiga : CHARLES PIERSON wrote:

    Okay. I wait for Stas make the tutorial. There are areas
    that he doesn't echo and other FTN networks that could
    benefit from it.

    Stick around the FUTURE4FIDO echo. He's sure to announce more info
    about the project there.

    I read FUTURE4FIDO. Thanks.



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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Mauro Veiga on Sun Nov 1 18:13:46 2020
    On 01/11/2020 9:53 a.m., Mauro Veiga : AUGUST ABOLINS wrote:

    Okay. I wait for Stas make the tutorial. There are areas
    that he doesn't echo and other FTN networks that could
    benefit from it.

    [snip]

    Currently, we are looking to open the gate for echos that can
    accommodate free-flow paragraphs. Anything with a fixed-width
    line-length looks a bit jagged on the Telegram side.


    I read FUTURE4FIDO. Thanks.

    Try to read some of his earlier posts. He mentions that there won't
    be any step-by-step guide. It will require some coding prowess to
    adapt the gate to match your own particular configuration.

    The code is in perl. Thus, a *nix system would be required.


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  • From Charles Pierson@1:229/426.67 to August Abolins on Sun Nov 1 11:33:48 2020
    Hello, August Abolins.
    On 11/1/20 6:13 PM you wrote:

    On 01/11/2020 9:53 a.m., Mauro Veiga : AUGUST ABOLINS wrote:
    Okay. I wait for Stas make the tutorial. There are areas that he
    doesn't echo and other FTN networks that could benefit from it.
    [snip] Currently, we are looking to open the gate for echos that
    can accommodate free-flow paragraphs. Anything with a fixed-width line-length looks a bit jagged on the Telegram side.

    Wait, there are echo's that are fixed width?

    I read FUTURE4FIDO. Thanks.
    Try to read some of his earlier posts. He mentions that there
    won't be any step-by-step guide. It will require some coding
    prowess to adapt the gate to match your own particular
    configuration. The code is in perl. Thus, a *nix system would be required.

    You can do perl in DOS. I think there might be a couple of restritions there, but it's do able.


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  • From August Abolins@2:460/58 to Charles Pierson on Sun Nov 1 21:19:13 2020
    Hello, August Abolins.
    On 11/1/20 6:13 PM you wrote:

    On 01/11/2020 9:53 a.m., Mauro Veiga : AUGUST ABOLINS wrote:
    Okay. I wait for Stas make the tutorial. There are areas that he MV>>> doesn't echo and other FTN networks that could benefit from it.
    [snip] Currently, we are looking to open the gate for echos that
    can accommodate free-flow paragraphs. Anything with a fixed-width line-length looks a bit jagged on the Telegram side.

    Wait, there are echo's that are fixed width?

    I read FUTURE4FIDO. Thanks.
    Try to read some of his earlier posts. He mentions that there
    won't be any step-by-step guide. It will require some coding
    prowess to adapt the gate to match your own particular
    configuration. The code is in perl. Thus, a *nix system would be required.

    You can do perl in DOS. I think there might be a couple of restritions there, but it's do able.


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    Thanks for that. I just learned something! :) i really enjoyed using the unix-for-dos utils (a library of *nix equivalent executables for the DOS command line) .. in the 90's.

    Depending on the functions that the tg2fido perl uses:

    --[begin citation]--
    Perl under DOS lacks some features of perl under UNIX because of deficiencies in the UNIX-emulation, most notably:

    [o] fork() and pipe()

    [o] some features of the UNIX filesystem regarding link count and file dates

    [o] in-place operation is a little bit broken with short filenames sockets --[end citation]--

    ..it may or may not be possible in DOS.

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  • From Charles Pierson@1:229/426.67 to August Abolins on Sun Nov 1 12:54:26 2020
    Hello, August Abolins.
    On 11/1/20 9:19 PM you wrote:

    You can do perl in DOS. I think there might be a couple of
    restritions there, but it's do able.

    Thanks for that. I just learned something! :) i really enjoyed
    using the unix-for-dos utils (a library of *nix equivalent
    executables for the DOS command line) .. in the 90's. Depending on
    the functions that the tg2fido perl uses: --[begin citation]--
    Perl under DOS lacks some features of perl under UNIX because of deficiencies in the UNIX-emulation, most notably: [o] fork()
    and pipe() [o] some features of the UNIX filesystem regarding
    link count and file dates [o] in-place operation is a little
    bit broken with short filenames sockets --[end citation]-- ..it
    may or may not be possible in DOS.

    I did say that I thought there were some restrictions.
    I'm thinking even if the particular functions that aren't available are used in Stas's bot, there could be a work around for them.


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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Charles Pierson on Sun Nov 1 23:00:54 2020
    On 01/11/2020 5:54 a.m., Charles Pierson : August Abolins wrote:


    .. it may or may not be possible in DOS.

    I did say that I thought there were some restrictions. I'm
    thinking even if the particular functions that aren't
    available are used in Stas's bot, there could be a work
    around for them.

    When Stas releases his work, it ought to be an interesting study
    between code and API. Reverse-engineering heaven!


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  • From Charles Pierson@1:229/426.67 to August Abolins on Sun Nov 1 16:38:34 2020
    Hello, August Abolins.
    On 11/1/20 11:00 PM you wrote:

    On 01/11/2020 5:54 a.m., Charles Pierson : August Abolins wrote:
    .. it may or may not be possible in DOS.
    I did say that I thought there were some restrictions. I'm
    thinking even if the particular functions that aren't available
    are used in Stas's bot, there could be a work around for them.
    When Stas releases his work, it ought to be an interesting study
    between code and API. Reverse-engineering heaven!

    For someone else maybe. I've already given myself several headaches on projects.

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  • From Mauro Veiga@4:801/194 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Mon Nov 2 13:09:00 2020
    Quoting August Abolins to Mauro Veiga <=-

    On 01/11/2020 9:53 a.m., Mauro Veiga : AUGUST ABOLINS wrote:

    Okay. I wait for Stas make the tutorial. There are areas
    that he doesn't echo and other FTN networks that could
    benefit from it.

    [snip]

    Currently, we are looking to open the gate for echos that can
    accommodate free-flow paragraphs. Anything with a fixed-width
    line-length looks a bit jagged on the Telegram side.

    Seems more like a user text editor configuration than a area
    feature.


    I read FUTURE4FIDO. Thanks.

    Try to read some of his earlier posts. He mentions that there won't
    be any step-by-step guide. It will require some coding prowess to
    adapt the gate to match your own particular configuration.

    The code is in perl. Thus, a *nix system would be required.

    Bad... Seems to be complex to a not programmer Sysop.



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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Mauro Veiga on Mon Nov 2 18:23:22 2020
    On 02/11/2020 11:09 a.m., Mauro Veiga : AUGUST ABOLINS wrote:

    The code is in perl. Thus, a *nix system would be
    required.

    Bad... Seems to be complex to a not programmer Sysop.

    Maybe a volunteer could offer to add documentation and explanations.


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  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/58.58 to August Abolins on Mon Nov 2 19:47:16 2020
    Hi, August!

    01 ноя 20 18:13, August Abolins -> Mauro Veiga:

    Try to read some of his earlier posts. He mentions that there won't
    be any step-by-step guide.

    Yes. Will not be. This will reduce the likelihood of hooliganism and will only allow those who understand what they are doing to use this program.

    It will require some coding prowess to
    adapt the gate to match your own particular configuration.

    This is not necessary now. The program has its own configuration files, which even contain short descriptions, and command line switches. In addition, it is no longer tied to a specific tosser and processes the PKT itself.

    The code is in perl. Thus, a *nix system would be required.

    Not necessary. http://strawberryperl.com/

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

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  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/58.58 to August Abolins on Mon Nov 2 19:59:56 2020
    Hi, August!

    01 ноя 20 21:19, August Abolins -> Charles Pierson:

    Depending on the functions that the tg2fido perl uses:

    --[begin citation]--
    Perl under DOS lacks some features of perl under UNIX because of deficiencies
    in the UNIX-emulation, most notably:

    [o] fork() and pipe()

    Not required.

    [o] some features of the UNIX filesystem regarding link count and
    file dates

    Not required.

    [o] in-place operation is a little bit broken with short filenames sockets

    May be a problem with files from Telegram.

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

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  • From August Abolins@2:460/58 to Stas Mishchenkov on Mon Nov 2 21:10:14 2020
    Hi, August!

    01 ноя 20 18:13, August Abolins -> Mauro Veiga:

    Try to read some of his earlier posts. He mentions that there won't
    be any step-by-step guide.

    Yes. Will not be. This will reduce the likelihood of hooliganism and will only allow those who understand what they are doing to use this program.

    It will require some coding prowess to
    adapt the gate to match your own particular configuration.

    This is not necessary now. The program has its own configuration files, which even contain short descriptions, and command line switches. In addition, it is no longer tied to a specific tosser and processes the PKT itself.

    The code is in perl. Thus, a *nix system would be required.

    Not necessary. http://strawberryperl.com/

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

    SWEET!

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  • From Charles Pierson@2:221/6.21 to Stas Mishchenkov on Mon Nov 2 13:31:37 2020
    Hello, Stas Mishchenkov.
    On 11/2/20 7:47 PM you wrote:

    Hi, August! 01 я┐╜я┐╜я┐╜ 20 18:13, August Abolins -> Mauro Veiga:
    Try to read some of his earlier posts. He mentions that there
    won't be any step-by-step guide.
    Yes. Will not be. This will reduce the likelihood of hooliganism
    and will only allow those who understand what they are doing to
    use this program.

    That makes sense, I guess. In theory, someone could abuse it and spam echoes I suppose.

    It will require some coding prowess to adapt the gate to match
    your own particular configuration.
    This is not necessary now. The program has its own configuration
    files, which even contain short descriptions, and command line
    switches. In addition, it is no longer tied to a specific tosser
    and processes the PKT itself.

    Both ways? To and from Fido?

    The code is in perl. Thus, a *nix system would be required.
    Not necessary. http://strawberryperl.com/

    Ahh, perhaps a better version than one I looked at.

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  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/58.58 to Charles Pierson on Tue Nov 3 01:29:26 2020
    Hi, Charles!

    02 ноя 20 13:31, Charles Pierson -> Stas Mishchenkov:

    Yes. Will not be. This will reduce the likelihood of hooliganism
    and will only allow those who understand what they are doing to
    use this program.

    That makes sense, I guess. In theory, someone could abuse it and spam echoes I
    suppose.

    It's not so scary. The moderator can always turn off the system with which the spam entered the network. It is much worse to put on the Internet without asking what should not be uploaded there.

    This is not necessary now. The program has its own configuration
    files, which even contain short descriptions, and command line
    switches. In addition, it is no longer tied to a specific tosser
    and processes the PKT itself.

    Both ways? To and from Fido?

    Yes. Both ways. It can be used as hidden point system, as I use it now, or technical node like 2:460/256. It works like a tosser.

    The code is in perl. Thus, a *nix system would be required.
    Not necessary. http://strawberryperl.com/

    Ahh, perhaps a better version than one I looked at.

    I use that on my windows system.

    Have nice nights.
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  • From Charles Pierson@2:240/1120.976 to Stas Mishchenkov on Mon Nov 2 19:54:42 2020
    Hello, Stas Mishchenkov.
    On 11/3/20 1:29 AM you wrote:

    That makes sense, I guess. In theory, someone could abuse it and
    spam echoes I suppose.
    It's not so scary. The moderator can always turn off the system
    with which the spam entered the network. It is much worse to put
    on the Internet without asking what should not be uploaded there.

    Well of course. Any users of the Telegram side would have to be aware of the echo rules.

    This is not necessary now. The program has its own configuration
    files, which even contain short descriptions, and command line
    switches. In addition, it is no longer tied to a specific tosser
    and processes the PKT itself.
    Both ways? To and from Fido?
    Yes. Both ways. It can be used as hidden point system, as I use it
    now, or technical node like 2:460/256. It works like a tosser.

    That's interesting. I know you've mentioned that before, I just never pictured it as a separate node itself.

    The code is in perl. Thus, a *nix system would be required.
    Not necessary. http://strawberryperl.com/
    Ahh, perhaps a better version than one I looked at.
    I use that on my windows system.

    Good to know for when I get my desktop back in order.

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  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/58.58 to Charles Pierson on Tue Nov 3 17:28:40 2020
    Hi, Charles!

    02 ноя 20 19:54, Charles Pierson -> Stas Mishchenkov:

    It's not so scary. The moderator can always turn off the system
    with which the spam entered the network. It is much worse to put
    on the Internet without asking what should not be uploaded there.

    Well of course. Any users of the Telegram side would have to be aware of the
    echo rules.

    For this, it would be nice, according to the good old tradition of Fido, to publish the rules at least once a month.

    Yes. Both ways. It can be used as hidden point system, as I use it
    now, or technical node like 2:460/256. It works like a tosser.

    That's interesting. I know you've mentioned that before, I just never pictured
    it as a separate node itself.

    Pourquoi pas? Just like any BBS or e-mail gate.
    It is quite possible that in the future I will make a full-fledged tosser out of it, which will support the JAM base, for example. Then it can be used in general instead of the usual tosser on any node, like other BBS software.

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

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  • From Charles Pierson@2:221/6.21 to Stas Mishchenkov on Wed Nov 4 03:58:47 2020
    Hello, Stas Mishchenkov.
    On 11/3/20 5:28 PM you wrote:

    Yes. Both ways. It can be used as hidden point system, as I use
    it now, or technical node like 2:460/256. It works like a
    tosser.
    That's interesting. I know you've mentioned that before, I just
    never pictured it as a separate node itself.
    Pourquoi pas? Just like any BBS or e-mail gate. It is quite
    possible that in the future I will make a full-fledged tosser out
    of it, which will support the JAM base, for example. Then it can
    be used in general instead of the usual tosser on any node, like
    other BBS software.

    I'm not sure why, honestly. Which is strange considering discussions I've had about it recently.

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