Hi All...


What do 'yall think of the adoption of permanent dst in parts of the world? Canada is a tz mess now.

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In reply to Aug where he said:
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Every year I am for it. All this back and forth seems ridiculous.

But then comes a Sunday like this last one (here in Ohio), and I get to sleep in one extra hour and it *really* feels nice. If we always had DST, I'd remember it that one last time, and then I'd never get this feeling agian.

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Hello Petar!

** On Monday 02.11.26 - 12:12, Petar Smilajkov wrote to Aug:

In reply to Aug where he said:

What do 'yall think of the adoption of permanent dst in parts of
the world? Canada is a tz mess now.|07

Every year I am for it. All this back and forth seems ridiculous.

But then comes a Sunday like this last one (here in Ohio), and I get to sleep in one extra hour and it *really* feels nice. If we always had DST, I'd remember it that one last time, and then I'd never get this feeling agian.

The issue with permanent DST is that in wintertime, the sunrise is much later in the morning. For one thing, kids waiting for schoolbuses will out in the dark before 8a.

Standard time follows natural time better. That is, the highest point for the sun is right at noon.

I can imagine that people who sleep late when dark mornings make no difference to them, or those who want more time on the golf course, permanent DST is their preference. :/

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On 2026-11-02 20:52:00, August Abolins wrote to Petar Smilajkov:

The issue with permanent DST is that in wintertime, the sunrise is much later in the morning. For one thing, kids waiting for schoolbuses will out in the dark before 8a.

Standard time follows natural time better. That is, the highest point for the sun is right at noon.

Hello Aug!

Thinking about it more, I think we actually agree. What I'm really against is the switching back and forth. If we have to pick one and stay there, I'd keep what we're on right now, since last Sunday: standard time. I'd much rather it get dark early in the evening than start the day in the dark.

Here in Ohio, on the western edge of Eastern time, permanent DST would push December sunrises to almost 9am. No thanks.

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Hi All...

What do 'yall think of the adoption of permanent dst in parts of
the world? Canada is a tz mess now.

I think it is stupid. The USA tried it before, in the early 1970s. We had to abandon it because it didn't "work." Energy wasn't saved, as hoped, and the populace as a whole realized they hated it.

The difference now would be that there are some pretty strong lobbies that want to see it happen that probably won't make it too easy to switch back should it happen. For example, you are much less likely to spend your Summer evenings golfing if the Sun doesn't stay out until almost 9pm in June and July.

Staying on Standard Time would make more sense. Arizona and Hawaii do it and have no problems. Indiana used to do that, until the lobbyists got them about 20 years ago.

It is no coincidence at all that one of the biggest proponents of it in the USA is our golf-loving leader.




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Aug wrote to All <=-

What do 'yall think of the adoption of permanent dst in parts of the world? Canada is a tz mess now.

Twitter is full of idiots debating about permanent DST versus permanent
standard time. To me it makes more sense to stick with standard time
and not switch, but apparently anyone who believes that is a
mouth-breather who isn't thinking of the children. Or Anti-Semitic. Or
doesn't value freedom.

I need to spend less time on Twitter.



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Petar Smilajkov wrote to Aug <=-

But then comes a Sunday like this last one (here in Ohio), and I get to sleep in one extra hour and it *really* feels nice. If we always had
DST, I'd remember it that one last time, and then I'd never get this feeling agian.

You could always, and I'm just making a wild assumption here - sleep in
an extra hour on Sunday when you want to? You don't even need to tell
anyone.

Oh, now someone's going to suggest "personal DST" as a means of
expression and personal health and intellectual growth. I can't wait to
try and schedule a meeting when DST is a personal choice for emotional
health... :)






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August Abolins wrote to Petar Smilajkov <=-

I can imagine that people who sleep late when dark mornings make no difference to them, or those who want more time on the golf course, permanent DST is their preference.

And, in the USA, who lobbies the politicians? People walking their kids
to the bus stop or people playing golf in their leisure time? Seeing
politicians chiming in, pro-DST in the middle of war, inflation,
joblessness, supply-chain issues and political tension just seems
Absurd - unless they're getting paid.










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Mike Powell wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

I honestly do think the golf industry has something to do with it.
That wasn't just a guess. They believe that year-round DST will bring
in $1 Billion in additional revenue.

Don't underestimate the power and influence of Big Club. Big Putt?



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Re: Re: permanent dst?
By: Kurt Weiske to Mike Powell on Fri Nov 06 2026 20:30:32

Don't underestimate the power and influence of Big Club. Big Putt?

Sounds kinda bogey to me.
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