• PDP-11 OS expirience

    From Andrei Dzedolik@2:463/1331.1 to All on Fri Oct 15 10:26:18 2021
    Greetings, travelers.

    I'm building PDP-11 scaled down replica using PiDP-11 kit, which eventually will be able to run multiple OS (emulted by simh) back from the days - from RT-11 to Unix v7 to BSD 2.x.
    Does anyone here had real expirience with the PDP-11 machines and can suggest good starting OS?
    Any sugggestions are welcome as well as any docs/refrences/etc :)

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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.1 to Andrei Dzedolik on Fri Oct 15 11:11:24 2021
    Hello Andrei!

    15 Oct 21 10:26, you wrote to All:

    Does anyone here had real
    expirience with the PDP-11 machines and can suggest good starting OS?
    Any sugggestions are welcome as well as any docs/refrences/etc :)

    RSX-11M-PLUS and RSTS are the best "native" OS available on PDPs, IMHO.
    Unix was born on a PDP, so I think that V7 can be also a nice choice. :)

    I'm running a SIMH PDP11/93 with RSX-11M-PLUS V4.6 with free login on Internet if you want go a walk through.
    It runs the TCP/IP stack developed (and still fully maintained) by Johnny Billquist.

    Telnet to gnappy.bizzi.org , username guest, password luther, you can login with "hello guest" :)

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    hello guest

    For the references, I think that the best places are bitsavers, ftp://ftp.update.uu.se , http://mim.update.uu.se , http://www.rsts.org, https://www.9track.net

    I'm writing a tutorial on my website http://mimac.bizzi.org , but sorry, it's only in italian. :)

    Ciao!
    Fabio
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  • From Andrei Dzedolik@2:463/1331.1 to Fabio Bizzi on Fri Oct 15 13:31:22 2021
    Greetings, traveler.

    Telnet to gnappy.bizzi.org , username guest, password luther, you can login with "hello guest" :)
    Oh, that's nice! I'll give it a try (actially, already did), but guess need to read some manuals first as I couldn't make it beyond 'dir' :^)

    For the references, I think that the best places are bitsavers, ftp://ftp.update.uu.se , http://mim.update.uu.se ,
    http://www.rsts.org, https://www.9track.net
    Thanks a lot! This a pretty good starting point, will keep digging from there...

    I'm writing a tutorial on my website http://mimac.bizzi.org , but
    sorry, it's only in italian. :)
    Ah, so you won't mind if I bother you time to time when I'll come to running my rig, not just soldering it, would you?



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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Andrei Dzedolik on Fri Oct 15 14:05:26 2021
    Hi Andrei!

    15 Oct 2021 10:26, from Andrei Dzedolik -> All:

    I'm building PDP-11 scaled down replica using PiDP-11 kit, which eventually will be able to run multiple OS (emulted by simh) back from
    the days - from RT-11 to Unix v7 to BSD 2.x. Does anyone here had real expirience with the PDP-11 machines and can suggest good starting OS?
    Any sugggestions are welcome as well as any docs/refrences/etc :)

    Cool!

    No sorry ... I am too young for experience with the Dec PDPs.

    But I would be very interested in your comments.
    I was thinking about it, but I have too little attachment to the PDP and it was too costly for me.

    I have the KIM Uno and like it very much ;)

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.1 to Andrei Dzedolik on Fri Oct 15 14:59:48 2021
    Hello Andrei!

    15 Oct 21 13:31, you wrote to me:

    Telnet to gnappy.bizzi.org , username guest, password luther, you
    can login with "hello guest" :)
    Oh, that's nice! I'll give it a try (actially, already did), but guess need to read some manuals first as I couldn't make it beyond 'dir' :^)

    I forgot to mention Bitsavers site, a great source of informations!

    http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/

    RSX-11M-PLUS 4.x documentation root:

    http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/dec/pdp11/rsx11/RSX11Mplus_V4. x/

    Try with this first: ;)

    http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/dec/pdp11/rsx11/RSX11Mplus_V4. x/1/AA-FD03B-TC_RSX-11M_PLUS_V4.0_Introduction_to_RSX-11M_PLUS_Sep87.pdf

    I'm writing a tutorial on my website http://mimac.bizzi.org , but
    sorry, it's only in italian. :)
    Ah, so you won't mind if I bother you time to time when I'll come to running my rig, not just soldering it, would you?

    Yuo're welcome, also for soldering :)

    Ciao!
    Fabio

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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.1 to Richard Menedetter on Fri Oct 15 15:18:00 2021
    Hello Richard!

    15 Oct 21 14:05, you wrote to Andrei Dzedolik:

    I have the KIM Uno and like it very much ;)

    WOW!!! The grandpa of the Commodores.

    It's working?

    Ciao!
    Fabio

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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Fabio Bizzi on Fri Oct 15 15:38:56 2021
    Hi Fabio!

    15 Oct 2021 15:18, from Fabio Bizzi -> Richard Menedetter:

    I have the KIM Uno and like it very much ;)

    WOW!!! The grandpa of the Commodores.
    It's working?

    The Kim Uno yes ... but it is NOT a KIM-1 ;)

    https://obsolescence.wixsite.com/obsolescence/kim-uno-summary-c1uuh

    From the same guy that makes the PiDP ;)

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.1 to Richard Menedetter on Fri Oct 15 15:57:24 2021
    Hello Richard!

    15 Oct 21 15:38, you wrote to me:

    I have the KIM Uno and like it very much ;)

    WOW!!! The grandpa of the Commodores.
    It's working?

    The Kim Uno yes ... but it is NOT a KIM-1 ;)

    Ah, ok, I misundertood. :)

    https://obsolescence.wixsite.com/obsolescence/kim-uno-summary-c1uuh

    From the same guy that makes the PiDP ;)

    WOW again, nice item! :)

    Ciao!
    Fabio

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  • From Richard Falken@1:123/115 to Andrei Dzedolik on Fri Oct 15 11:03:16 2021
    Re: PDP-11 OS expirience
    By: Andrei Dzedolik to All on Fri Oct 15 2021 10:26 am

    Greetings, travelers.

    I'm building PDP-11 scaled down replica using PiDP-11 kit, which eventually will be
    able to run multiple OS (emulted by simh) back from the days - from RT-11 to Unix v
    to BSD 2.x.
    Does anyone here had real expirience with the PDP-11 machines and can suggest good
    starting OS?
    Any sugggestions are welcome as well as any docs/refrences/etc :)

    \aID

    Not experience with the real thing, but BSD 2.11 is the most complete Unix experience
    you can get from such deployment in my opinion. It has the tools we all know and love.

    It makes one think thinks through when you realize tools we use on Linux and modern
    BSDs were already in use back then.

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  • From goto_KCM@2:310/31.5 to Andrei Dzedolik on Mon Feb 21 19:09:47 2022
    Hello!

    I also built the PiDP11/70 Replica a few weeks ago and it worked great. Starting OS could be RT-11 or 2.11 BSD. Should be the easiest OS to start
    with.

    Greetings, travelers.

    I'm building PDP-11 scaled down replica using PiDP-11 kit, which eventually will be able to run multiple OS (emulted by simh) back from
    the days - from RT-11 to Unix v7 to BSD 2.x.
    Does anyone here had real expirience with the PDP-11 machines and can suggest good starting OS?
    Any sugggestions are welcome as well as any docs/refrences/etc :)

    I also added two real serials to the maschine and connected a VT420 Terminal. So cool.

    Playing Adventure or MTREK on an original Terminal is kind of cool.

    Regards
    Andreas

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Andrei Dzedolik on Mon Feb 21 13:25:24 2022
    On 21 Feb 2022, goto_KCM said the following...
    I also built the PiDP11/70 Replica a few weeks ago and it worked great. Starting OS could be RT-11 or 2.11 BSD. Should be the easiest OS to start with.

    I also built one some time ago, along with the PiDP-8. They are beautiful replicas and a joy to work with.

    The OSes that come with it are pretty interesting, but the DEC and DEC-like ones are quite... unique from a modern perspective. You can see the evolution from OS8 to RT-11 to VMS to CP/M to MS-DOS, with the early ones being
    primitive shades of what we have now.

    Jeff.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to goto_KCM on Tue Feb 22 07:37:00 2022
    goto_KCM wrote to Andrei Dzedolik <=-

    I also built the PiDP11/70 Replica a few weeks ago and it worked great. Starting OS could be RT-11 or 2.11 BSD. Should be the easiest OS to
    start with.


    How was the build? I've been tempted to get one of those for my office. One
    of the first "real" computers I worked on in college was an 11/70.


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